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I don't really see how there could be a lawsuit over this confederate flag issue. First of all: waving a confederate flag is not illegal. Second of all, in the few instances that I have seen on the news where schools have banned them, its usually because there is some kind of racial riot potential going on. I don't think that situation exists in Walpole, and most definitely never did.

The logical conclusion is that I would think that anyone wanting to wave a confederate flag at Turco Field or any away game should just bring the flag along. How can anyone be arrested for something that is not illegal??

The abutter to Turco Field who has his flag up in his backyard is totally within his right to do so. Its the American Way.

And furthermore: Regarding racists: Being a racist is not illegal either.

The confederate flag is not illegal. But turning a blind eye to innappropriate (though not illegal) behavior is a recipe for trouble. Acting in a racist manner is illegal both civily and criminally. Note the justice of the peace who recently refused to marry an inter-racial couple. He will likely loose his liscence and be sued.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jy_z-Zo4fvJEf2TK1LCiiPIe9NDwD9BBPMH00

As the previous poster pointed out,... bad behavior is a slippery slope that leads to trouble. It is not inconceivable that adults turning a blind eye to the use of the confederate flag could embolden some (who may have "legal" racist thoughts) into racially offensive or destructive behavior. That my friend, would be illegal. If it involves our highschool, we would be liable and complicit. The money may be the biggest motivatotr for some, but I am more motivated by a repulsion at the thought of having my town involved in anything even remotely related to racial descrimination.

An "innapropriate" racially motivated act would be a sad commentary on our town and a likely outcome from turning a blind eye to the use of the confederate flag. It is an outcome that the adults in charge should have forseen. Just like the Villa case. Do you think that two years ago anyone would have been willing to bet that the coach's behavior would end up going where it did? I bet if you asked the kids and adults around him, the signs were likely there.

The confederate flag is another sign. It is time we learn from our mistakes.

Now do you get it?

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Check out the article from NESN linked on the walpolenews.com home page about Coach Greener. We are lucky to have him, he is a great coach and an even better man.

Greener and the redemption of the football team is a great story. I'm surprised that Hollywood hasn't come a knockin'.

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The confederate flag is not illegal. But turning a blind eye to innappropriate (though not illegal) behavior is a recipe for trouble. Acting in a racist manner is illegal both civily and criminally. Note the justice of the peace who recently refused to marry an inter-racial couple. He will likely loose his liscence and be sued.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jy_z-Zo4fvJEf2TK1LCiiPIe9NDwD9BBPMH00

As the previous poster pointed out,... bad behavior is a slippery slope that leads to trouble. It is not inconceivable that adults turning a blind eye to the use of the confederate flag could embolden some (who may have "legal" racist thoughts) into racially offensive or destructive behavior. That my friend, would be illegal. If it involves our highschool, we would be liable and complicit. The money may be the biggest motivatotr for some, but I am more motivated by a repulsion at the thought of having my town involved in anything even remotely related to racial descrimination.

An "innapropriate" racially motivated act would be a sad commentary on our town and a likely outcome from turning a blind eye to the use of the confederate flag. It is an outcome that the adults in charge should have forseen. Just like the Villa case. Do you think that two years ago anyone would have been willing to bet that the coach's behavior would end up going where it did? I bet if you asked the kids and adults around him, the signs were likely there.

The confederate flag is another sign. It is time we learn from our mistakes.

Now do you get it?

I am not sure which group of people are more insane in this back and forth.

In one corner you have the people who think that the waving of the confederate flag is a fine Walpole tradition that we must uphold at any length.

In the other corner, you have the people who think that the word rebel and the confederate flag are the reason for Villa's loathsome behavior.

It seems pretty simple to me. The School Committee, School Dept, AD, whomever would be in charge of calling for a change needs to make the decision that while it is true that the confederate flag and the name rebels are not the same, the actions of some people in Walpole have caused them to be placed on the same level.

Therefore, going forward, the Walpole teams will continue to be known as Rebels. If however, at any future event there are any instances of the confederate flag being displayed, then those people forced the changing of the school name back to the Hilltoppers. Any yes, a one strike and out policy, whether it was an adult or student would seem fair.

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I am not sure which group of people are more insane in this back and forth.

In one corner you have the people who think that the waving of the confederate flag is a fine Walpole tradition that we must uphold at any length.

In the other corner, you have the people who think that the word rebel and the confederate flag are the reason for Villa's loathsome behavior.

It seems pretty simple to me. The School Committee, School Dept, AD, whomever would be in charge of calling for a change needs to make the decision that while it is true that the confederate flag and the name rebels are not the same, the actions of some people in Walpole have caused them to be placed on the same level.

Therefore, going forward, the Walpole teams will continue to be known as Rebels. If however, at any future event there are any instances of the confederate flag being displayed, then those people forced the changing of the school name back to the Hilltoppers. Any yes, a one strike and out policy, whether it was an adult or student would seem fair.

We don't have a school committee, superintendent or principal at WHS who has the BACKBONE to implement such a plan. Are YOU insane??

That comment about the announcer having to apologize to the crowd who may be offended by a confederate flag was plain embarrassing to the town, and the people who were there from Brookline got the message. There is a problem in Walpole regarding the issue.


Prediction: This will get worse before it gets better. Knowing personally the people involved on both sides of the issue, this may indeed head for a court-case.

We need that like a hole-in-the-head, right??

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In one corner you have the people who think that the waving of the confederate flag is a fine Walpole tradition that we must uphold at any length.

I think you've summarized this side of the argument incorrectly. NO ONE is advocating for the confederate flag, we are CLEARLY stating that Walpole athletics does not endorse, nor allow, the waving of the Confederate flag at it's events.

No one is excusing the unfortunate display put on by the neighbor bordering the field.

This side of the argument sees the Rebel name for what it is, without innuendo and undue political correctness.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rebels_logo.JPG

Some sports booster has put this logo on the wikipedia site for Walpole, claiming this is the logo used by all sports teams in Walpole.

Tell me if I am hallucinating or not, but this is not the logo used by all sports teams in Walpole, correct?

This is a symptom of a non-coordinated sports-booster system: I have heard about the bad-talking between the groups. This person who thinks this is a universal logo for the HS athletics (I call it the "Obese W"), is way off.



I think the best logo for Walpole athletics is the "W' and swords as used on the football helmets. That logo, a direct steal from the University of Virginia's Cavaliers, is a pretty good looking logo, and should be the one on ALL athletics teams in Walpole, even the field hockey teams (sorry girls...but you can keep the porkermoniker if you must insist).

By the way: I vote for the "Cavaliers" as a new mascot name. Its southern (To appease the Confederacy fans), it looks good...and sounds good too.


Ditch the rebel stuff. Its dated, and totally un-original.

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I think you've summarized this side of the argument incorrectly. NO ONE is advocating for the confederate flag, we are CLEARLY stating that Walpole athletics does not endorse, nor allow, the waving of the Confederate flag at it's events.

No one is excusing the unfortunate display put on by the neighbor bordering the field.

This side of the argument sees the Rebel name for what it is, without innuendo and undue political correctness.

walpole athletics does not endorse nor ALLOW confederate flag waving at its events? What abvout those pics of the kids at the Superbowl? You are in denial. Type in "Walpole" in google image search.
what do you come up with? Kids waving confederate flags at a Walpole athletics event.

The blogger took the pictures from the Rebel boosters website. Are you KIDDING US??

Zero Credibility. Absolutely ZERO.
Couple that with all the adulation of the coaching staff both past and present, and it really makes me wonder: What planet are we on???

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As the previous poster pointed out,... bad behavior is a slippery slope that leads to trouble. It is not inconceivable that adults turning a blind eye to the use of the confederate flag could embolden some (who may have "legal" racist thoughts) into racially offensive or destructive behavior. That my friend, would be illegal. If it involves our highschool, we would be liable and complicit. The money may be the biggest motivatotr for some, but I am more motivated by a repulsion at the thought of having my town involved in anything even remotely related to racial descrimination.

An "innapropriate" racially motivated act would be a sad commentary on our town and a likely outcome from turning a blind eye to the use of the confederate flag. It is an outcome that the adults in charge should have forseen. Just like the Villa case. Do you think that two years ago anyone would have been willing to bet that the coach's behavior would end up going where it did? I bet if you asked the kids and adults around him, the signs were likely there.

The confederate flag is another sign. It is time we learn from our mistakes.

Now do you get it?

This mishmash of convoluted legal theory is unreadable due to spelling and context errors. One may be liable by emboldening another's racist behavior by doing what, exactly? Living in Walpole? Stop this nonsense! Read before you post!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rebels_logo.JPG

Some sports booster has put this logo on the wikipedia site for Walpole, claiming this is the logo used by all sports teams in Walpole.

Tell me if I am hallucinating or not, but this is not the logo used by all sports teams in Walpole, correct?

This is a symptom of a non-coordinated sports-booster system: I have heard about the bad-talking between the groups. This person who thinks this is a universal logo for the HS athletics (I call it the "Obese W"), is way off.



I think the best logo for Walpole athletics is the "W' and swords as used on the football helmets. That logo, a direct steal from the University of Virginia's Cavaliers, is a pretty good looking logo, and should be the one on ALL athletics teams in Walpole, even the field hockey teams (sorry girls...but you can keep the porkermoniker if you must insist).

By the way: I vote for the "Cavaliers" as a new mascot name. Its southern (To appease the Confederacy fans), it looks good...and sounds good too.


Ditch the rebel stuff. Its dated, and totally un-original.

http://logoshak.com/~asgsport/images/Virginia_Cavaliers_4.gif

yes, that looks like a direct steal. Typical of Walpole football: Totally unoriginal, and it has to have a southern connection. But I like it. The Cavaliers....connotes southern-gentleman behavior. University of Virginia: Founded by Thomas Jefferson. I am beginning to really like this.

Walpole Cavaliers!

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I think you've summarized this side of the argument incorrectly. NO ONE is advocating for the confederate flag, we are CLEARLY stating that Walpole athletics does not endorse, nor allow, the waving of the Confederate flag at it's events.

No one is excusing the unfortunate display put on by the neighbor bordering the field.

This side of the argument sees the Rebel name for what it is, without innuendo and undue political correctness.

I did not say that Walpole Athletics was advocating the flag, I said people were. I agree that town officials have taken all the steps they should have to elminate the flag and Walpole Athletics from being associated with each other.

That stated, there are a number (not just the property owner next to the school either) of people in this town who have not allowed the two things to part. Students waved the flag at Gillette last year, there are many cars around town with confederate decals and license plates (and the drivers of there cars vary greatly in age), and people try to defend the confederate flag as being unrelated to the issues of race.

I was not trying to paint either side of the arguement into two specific groups, but rather point of the foolishness of the two extremes on each side.

I do stand by my original statement, althought I am afraid that I may have to agree with you about the backbone about school leadership and their willingness to make and uphold a decision like that

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Didn't Thomas Jefferson own Slaves? Here we go again.

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Didn't Thomas Jefferson own Slaves? Here we go again.

except you forget: Thomas Jefferson wrote "...that all men are created equal."

He set up the basis for the abolition of slavery. One heck of a guy, forward thinker and president. I'm all for the Cavaliers. Its a tip-of-the-hat to Southern football as taught by John Lee, and and is all-american as apple pie.

(or sam adams beer)

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I think you've summarized this side of the argument incorrectly. NO ONE is advocating for the confederate flag, we are CLEARLY stating that Walpole athletics does not endorse, nor allow, the waving of the Confederate flag at it's events.

No one is excusing the unfortunate display put on by the neighbor bordering the field.

This side of the argument sees the Rebel name for what it is, without innuendo and undue political correctness.

Amen! Well said.

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So, evidently, the school leadership "lacks the backbone" to bend to YOUR DEMANDS? Perhaps school leadership is content with the decisions they have made, the students by a huge majority prefer keeping the Rebels nickname, and the administration has made proactive steps saying they do not condone "Dixie" or the "Confederate Flag." Because people choose to affix decals to their cars or hoist flags on their property is not the concern of anyone on the school committee. You posters are beating a dead horse..focus your attentions on adult issues!

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except you forget: Thomas Jefferson wrote "...that all men are created equal."

He set up the basis for the abolition of slavery. One heck of a guy, forward thinker and president. I'm all for the Cavaliers. Its a tip-of-the-hat to Southern football as taught by John Lee, and and is all-american as apple pie.

(or sam adams beer)

Forward thinker that didn't ever have a personal stake in the fight. Hypocrite & manic depressant. Type of guy that walks into a room and says - "We should do xyz" , then runs out before he has to act on it. Great thinker to be sure. Great man? Depends on your definition of great.

Cavaliers is great name by the way, especially if you want our teams to get laughed at by the opposition. Will the helmets have plumes on them?

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So, evidently, the school leadership "lacks the backbone" to bend to YOUR DEMANDS? Perhaps school leadership is content with the decisions they have made, the students by a huge majority prefer keeping the Rebels nickname, and the administration has made proactive steps saying they do not condone "Dixie" or the "Confederate Flag." Because people choose to affix decals to their cars or hoist flags on their property is not the concern of anyone on the school committee. You posters are beating a dead horse..focus your attentions on adult issues!

Very well said , let's be proud of the young men and women who work hard and show true comittment to our sports programs. They are proud to be Rebels and we should be proud of them.

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Forward thinker that didn't ever have a personal stake in the fight. Hypocrite & manic depressant. Type of guy that walks into a room and says - "We should do xyz" , then runs out before he has to act on it. Great thinker to be sure. Great man? Depends on your definition of great.

Cavaliers is great name by the way, especially if you want our teams to get laughed at by the opposition. Will the helmets have plumes on them?

Very funny! For all those students of the English civil war - if we can't use ours, right?

I would personally rather keep the Rebel name and forget the Confederate
symbolism --- which is pretty offensive.

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http://whstherebellion.com/?p=1898

Bring back the flag, and do like Coach Lee is doing. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

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Very funny! For all those students of the English civil war - if we can't use ours, right?

I would personally rather keep the Rebel name and forget the Confederate
symbolism --- which is pretty offensive.

This is sooooo simple: If you want to keep the REbel name, you have to become THE PC REBELS. Lets face it: Losing the Confederacy related stuff takes all of the gusto out of the name.

So: PC Rebels it is...or bring back the flag. Or name them somthing else!!! (That never occurred to anyone, though did it??).

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http://whstherebellion.com/?p=1898

Bring back the flag, and do like Coach Lee is doing. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

That is foolish. Coach Lee should know better.

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. . . Notre Dame Academy of Worcester, who the WHS field hockey team plays every year. is also called the REBELS.. . .


These Rebels will be here at Turco Field today at 4:00 p.m. to take on our Porkers. Should be a great match! Go Porkers!

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These Rebels will be here at Turco Field today at 4:00 p.m. to take on our Porkers. Should be a great match! Go Porkers!

No real classy putting this post about the Porkers on the ex-coaches thread.

[Tom]

Please post about Walpole sports on a new thread: Walpole sports.

-- tom glynn